In outdoor gear, Gore-Tex membranes are the gold standard for protection against the elements. We’ve hailed this material in many of our articles including our backcountry ski jacket guide. And to this day, there are very few proprietary brands from companies like Patagonia or North Face that can provide that kind of protection. A fabric that has started to bubble up as a competitive alternative to Gore-Tex is Dermizax by Toray. We take a deep dive into Dermizax Vs Gore Tex to see how they stack up.
Verdict
When comparing Dermizax vs Gore-Tex it comes down to what you’re looking for in your outerwear. Personally, for 95% of the time I like the Dermizax material. It offers more flexibility and a soft feel, similar to a softshell. It also provides excellent breathability when I’m sweating on the skin track and performs exceptionally well in most snowstorms. On the other hand, Gore-Tex is what I want on a wet Sierra Cement or Cascade Concrete day when the flakes are instantly turning to liquid as they touch me. Jaime, the Local Freshies® Gal, wants superior protection at all times and so she would never part with her Gore Tex Pro regardless of the conditions.
How We Compared Dermizax vs Gore Tex
Jaime wearing the Norrøna Lofoten with the Gore Tex Pro membrane – Photo by: Local Freshies
We’ve done a side-by-side full season test with Jaime using a Norrøna Lofoten Jacket which comes with Gore-Tex Pro and while I used the Ortovox Ortler 3L with Dermizax NX in the exact same elements. Although it wasn’t a perfect comparison since they both use different fabrics on the exterior, it did give us an idea of how they stack up.
Waterproofing
On paper, Gore-Tex Pro has a whopping 28,000+ mm waterproof rating versus Dermizax NX which is rated at 20,000 mm. In simplest terms that means the Dermizax NX material can withstand 20,000 mm of water pressure before it starts to leak versus the Gore-Tex Pro can withstand up to 28,000+ mm. Just to give you an idea how impressive that is — most ski resort jackets come with a 10-15,000 mm waterproof rating.
The Monsoon Test
They say a 20,000 mm jacket can protect you from rain in a hurricane, and that’s exactly what we did. We had the fortunate (or unfortunate) opportunity to test it during a three-hour monsoon at a New York Giants game. Jaime’s Norrøna Lofoten Jacket with Gore-Tex Pro kept her dry, while my Ortler 3L with Dermizax NX performed well for most of it — though I still ended up a bit damp. In “normal” winter conditions, the Dermizax NX performed just as well as Jaime’s jacket.
Winner: Gore-Tex Pro
Breathability
The next important factor is breathability. When you begin to get soaked with sweat in a cold environment, it can lead to a dangerous situation. One of the easiest ways to solve for this is to wear moisture-wicking breathable materials including your jacket. Gore-Tex Pro has a breathability rating of 25,000 g/m2. This means that 25,000 grams of water vapor (I.e. sweat) can pass through a square meter of Gore-Tex Pro in a 24-hour period. Although Toray the manufacturer of Dermizax NX doesn’t provide a breathability rating, we’ve read that it provides anywhere between 30,000 – 50,000 g/m2.
Testing on the Skintrack
Photo by Jaime Pirozzi – Local Freshies®
Within a ski resort, sweating might not be a big deal but it’s a different story on the skin track. Climbing up a mountain can you get warm pretty quickly. On a spring day with temperatures starting well below freezing and hitting highs in the upper 40s, I was blown away with the Dermizax NX membrane. I believe the breathability rating is spot on. Even though I’m the sweaty type, it kept me comfortably cozy in the full range of activities without having to keep taking it on and off. While Jaime, on the other hand with her Gore-Tex Pro, was constantly going on and off with her shell.
Winner: Dermizax
Feel
The final feature that most don’t talk about is “feel.” We’re not talking about Fernando’s Hideaway “dahling” on how you look but how the material feels when you’re moving on the mountain. Do you feel inhibited? Does the fabric make it sound as if you’re crumpling up a piece of paper? For many it isn’t a big deal, but it’s something to at least consider.
Marketing Hulabaloo or Legit?
Gore-Tex fabrics combined with bullet proof denier are notorious for how stiff they feel hence the name “hardshell.” One of the Dermizax NX fabric’s chief competitive advantages that they market is its multi-directional stretch capabilities. Is it REALLY that big of a deal? Before I tried it, I could really care less about feel. I was chasing the “protection against the elements” bug. I can tell you that Dermizax’s multi-stretch abilities aren’t malarkey but legit. Instead of buying a size up, I’m able to rock a more form fitting jacket and still get the protection I need. Jaime, while she cares about the feel, doesn’t care enough to EVER part with her jacket. In fact, she uses it all year long on EVERY adventure from mountain biking to backcountry skiing.
Winner: Depends
Just a few years ago, I would’ve said that there isn’t any waterproofing material that could compete against Gore-tex. It may still be the #1 brand but as you can see from Toray’s Dermizax offering, it might not be the best tool for all situations. It comes down to what you’re looking for.
One of the things we love about skiing and snowboarding in Idaho is that it’s home to some of the few truly independent ski areas left in the West. Resorts like Magic Mountain and Lookout Pass have a special charm that keeps us coming back year after year. However, a tragic incident at Sun Valley has brought the issue of ski area liability to the forefront. After a skier died, his widow filed a lawsuit against the resort. The Idaho Supreme Court’s ruling in this case is setting a new legal precedent, which could lead to significant changes in the future.
What Happened?
In November 2019, a 65-year-old doctor named Stewart Milus from Boise was skiing at Sun Valley. The resort has two main ski areas: Bald Mountain and Dollar Mountain. Bald Mountain itself is divided into two sections: River Run and Warm Springs. According to court documents, Stewart was skiing down the lower River Run.
Lay of the Land
An example of the snowguns that Steve Milus hit.
We’ve skied this run before—it’s a wide, groomed trail that leads to the River Run Lodge. As the primary route to the base, it can get crowded. On this particular day, it was moderately busy. The court noted that Stewart was skiing “with poor control.” He crossed into the path of another skier, skied across the backs of their skis, yelled, then fell and crashed head-first into a tall, yellow-padded snowmaking tower in the middle of the run. He was taken to Wood River Medical Center where he was pronounced dead.
Lawsuit Puts Law into Question
Afterwards Stewart’s widow filed a lawsuit against Sun Valley. While the lower courts upheld a 1979 statute, as has been the case for decades, the Idaho Supreme Court took a different stance. The court ruled that a jury should decide whether the ski resort could be partially at fault, regardless of the skier’s actions.
What’s Next
Even though Idaho’s Supreme Court has already made a decision, they are set to hear arguments in February about possibly reconsidering their unanimous ruling. This could return the interpretation of Idaho’s law to how it was before the court’s December 2023 ruling.
Eerily Similar to Mt Hood Ski Bowl’s Mtn Biking Case
Alternatively, the ruling could stand. And if it does, it feels similar to what happened with mountain biking at Mt. Hood Ski Bowl a few years ago. In Oregon, businesses don’t have the same legal protections as those in Idaho. As a result of a lawsuit, Mt. Hood Ski Bowl was forced to shut down its bike park permanently. While larger resorts like Sun Valley and Schweitzer are likely safe, it’s the smaller ones we love—like Pomerelle—that are most at risk. In the worst case, this could lead to closures similar to what happened in Vermont when a lawsuit hit their industry in 1978.
There is a Silver Lining
Jaime’s happy place – Magic Mountain Photo by: Local Freshies®
We like to hold a glass half full perspective. So even if the Supreme Court stands, it may not mean the end for Mom & Pops. There are various outcomes from this ruling that could happen. For example, a new bill could be introduced, similar to the one last February that was proposed by Rep. Barbara Ehardt at the urging of the ski industry. Although the bill didn’t receive a hearing, it aimed to clarify the existing law by adding a clear statement that ‘no standard of care’ applies to the duties of ski areas. In summary, stay tuned as this story develops over the course of the month.
Regardless of whether you’re a skier or a snowboarder, camber and rocker are two terms that have likely been introduced into your vocabulary. We’re taking a close look to define what they are, how they differ, and to help you determine whether rocker or camber is better for you. But first things first: let’s start with what they actually mean.
What Is Camber
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Merriam-Webster’s definition of camber is “a slight convexity, arching, or curvature, as of a beam, deck, or road.” In this case, it refers to the curve on a pair of skis or a snowboard. If you lay a board or skis flat on their base and look at them from the side, you’ll see what appears to be a reverse arc.
Why Do They Have Camber?
The reason for this arc is that it provides increased contact against the snow and springiness between your feet. The result is it allows you to make the perfect arc when carving. Another advantage is that it gives the rider or skier a natural “pop” when ollieing.
How Traditional Camber Came To Be
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Snowboard technology over the years hasn’t lived in its own bubble but rather looked around at other board sports like surfing and skateboarding. One of the ideas that was influenced by skateboarding was camber. Longboards with camber were designed so that when weight was applied, it created a reverse arc making it easier to carve a continuous “S” path by just leaning left and right.
Skis Adopted Camber
Skier Darin Haworth enjoying the fresh powder at Kirkwood – Photo by: Local Freshies®
Snowboarding may have drawn inspiration from other sports, but skiing’s use of camber dates back much further, all the way to the 1840s. Camber made it possible to create thinner, lighter skis. What skiing did borrow from snowboarding, however, was the concept of camber combined with a more aggressive sidecut, which led to the creation of what were known as “parabolic skis.” This innovation was such a significant leap forward in technology that many at the time claimed it “revived” the sport. Whether or not that’s true, it undeniably impacted skiing, introducing a whole new way of sliding down the mountain that the two-plank crowd hadn’t experienced before.
Rocker – The New Style
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For decades, camber was the only shape that dominated the market, and there was no debate over rocker vs camber. That all changed when Lib Tech sparked the “rocker revolution” by introducing the Skate Banana. This was when the flip side of camber—rocker, or reverse camber—was introduced. From the side, a ski or board with rocker will appear to “smile” at you.
McConkey – The Man Who Brought Rocker To Skiing
The rocker shape was introduced by Shane McConkey on the skier side with his Volant Spatula Skis. When they came out, reviewers used terms like “fun”, “easy”, and saviors to the sports of skiing/snowboarding. This “banana” shape made it extremely easy to ride fresh powder when it was deep due to the natural arc already formed.
The Waterboy Argument
These two vastly different ski and snowboard designs had created a passionate debate between rocker vs camber. It’s like the scene from the movie Waterboy where Bobby Boucher has the argument on water versus Gatorade. I’ve heard friends on both sides make statements like:
“You can’t land on the bolts when it’s a rocker. I feel like I’m fighting a wet pig in the park. Camber all the way.”
“Deep pow on a camber? No way! All the board wants to do is dive like a submarine and make me tomahawk.”
What’s Better Rocker Or Camber?
So, which shape is better in the eternal rocker vs camber argument? Unfortunately, it isn’t an easy answer. For those with the money, a “quiver” might be your best option. A quiver is a set of decks or skis that you can pick and choose from depending on the conditions and skill level.
Rocker In Your Arsenal
Image appears courtesy: Diamond Peak – Photo by: Ryan Salm
If you’re going heli-skiing, cat-boarding, or wake up to 3 feet of deep powder, floating in the bottomless snow is VERY critical. A good choice for this is the Rocker. The natural “U” shape allows you to float easily through the snow without having to lean far back to get through it. It will provide effortless float. This includes Lib-Tech’s original banana profile and Arbor’s Rocker Profiles.
The Cons To The Rocker
Personally, a full rocker board feels a little squirrelly at high speeds. Locking into a turn, the board feels “soft” and loose more like a skid instead of a carve.
Locked n’ Loaded For A Camber
On the other hand, if your focus is on carving groomers or shredding through resort powder that’s only a few inches deep, at best a camber deck might be the funnest shape for you. As a purist, the ability to make a perfect carve and explode out of your turn allows you to exit faster than you went in.
World Of Camber Hurt
For friends who’ve started snowboarding for the first time, a bigger camber and/or sidecut could cause you to get frustrated. Think of it like tight suspension on a sports car. The design provides a more responsive ride, which means you could easily catch an edge. In addition, a true camber’s flex will make it a bit more difficult to keep the nose afloat in deep snow.
The Rocker Revolution Brings Hybrid Designs
Luckily, the answer doesn’t have to be one or the other. After the dust had settled with rocker vs camber shapes, there has been an explosion of all kinds of different ways of thinking. Both skiing and snowboarding manufacturers have begun to push the envelope on what’s possible with the arc. Shapes from a “flat” board to all sorts of hybrid combinations coming together into one deck.
Goldilocks Would Like Hybrid
If you’re looking for one board to rule them all, a hybrid is what you want. Is it the best in all conditions? We’ll be honest… when Lib Tech released the “banana” boards, we loved the different surfy feeling to it. Over the years though, we’ve gone the hybrid route for any days with soft snow and a true camber board for groomer days or spring.
Most Popular Hybrid Styles
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Despite having an infinite amount of combinations, there are certain styles that are more prevalent than others. Here’s a few of them:
Hybrid Camber
This is when the design is primarily a camber between the feet but rocker at the nose and tail. Snowboarders or skiers that love a camber design but want a little help keeping the board afloat in deep snow will love it. For beginners, this will also help keep you from catching an edge.
Hybrid Rocker
The gold standard in pow slashing – the T.Rice Orca
The opposite of the Hybrid Camber is the Hybrid Rocker profile. Instead, it has rocker in the center and camber on the tips. In addition, both the nose and tail are still off the ground unless the board is weighted (i.e. someone standing on it). Hybrid Rockers still help with float but also ride better than a traditional rocker at higher speeds.
As the name states, these are designed to primarily ride in one direction. The natural binding location is usually setback a bit. The focus is on camber from the tail of the board/skis to the front bindings. The nose is longer with a pronounced rocker uplift. This style provides stability like a classic camber, but the tip allows you to float easier in powder.
Within this category, there are a few different profiles. Overall, the base it flat from tip to tail. At the nose and tail is where the unique flavors come in. Some have minor camber. Others have a few millimeters of rocker on each end. Others are flat for most of it and only have rocker from the front bindings through the nose to help with float. This is an awesome option for those who like to hit park, rails, or tinker around on kickers.
An example of a flat profile is the Capita Ultrafear or for those who want a boost in technology, we recommend checking out the BataleonTBT profiles. Not quite flat. Not a true rocker. They’re their own design that’s been patented.
What To Look For In A Hybrid
As you can tell, picking the type of snowboard you ride is a purely personal preference. For example, Jaime LOVES a board that has WAY more camber than I do but with a bit softer flex. Me, on other hand, for years looked for a camber-rocker-camber design such as the Orca. This allows the board to carve well but at the same time helps keep the nose afloat. Is it perfect? Nope, but it’s a great go-to option on most days.
Consider ALL Snowboard Shapes
A unique snowboard shape is the Weston Revel – Photo by: Jaime Pirozzi – Local Freshies®
As I personally came to realize when picking your snowboard or skis, the rocker vs camber debate is just one factor to consider. You also need to think about all the other shape and technology features, such as “magna-traction,” sidecut, and whether the board is “volume-shifted.” Our detailed article, Shape Up or Ship Out on Snowboard Shapes: Types, Terms, & More, covers all of these factors in depth. Ultimately, there are many choices when it comes to brands. Now that you have a better understanding, get out there, demo some new boards, and let us know what you think!
For more tips about gear from finding the right jacket to a pair of goggles and more, be sure to visit our Skiing & Snowboarding Gear homepage.
A first impression always has a lasting effect on how you envision something or someone. Sitting on a friend’s velvet couch, he begins to describe his trip to Lake Tahoe. As he presses the play button on the remote, the TV goes from black to a picturesque scene, transporting me to another place… A deep blue sky. The sound of chains clanking on the road. Unimaginably massive walls of snow. As the car makes the final turn my jaw drops. Everywhere you look there’s endless steep terrain. It’s known as Kirkwood Ski Resort.
The Wave
It seemed pure, untouched by mega-tourism, and most of all, had unimaginable amounts of snow. It seemed almost like a mecca for snowboarders. The VHS tape flashes to what’s called ‘The Backside.’ I found myself standing atop a large cornice, aptly named ‘The Wave’. Highly animated, my friend describes the drop off. The imagery felt like a dream… Dropping a massive air into deep, soft, velvety snow. The snow wafted around him as he made turn after turn which seemed to last forever.
How Kirkwood Came To Be
This was my first introduction to Kirkwood. Once I visited myself, I found out reality was even better than my imagination could ever make it. Driving up CA SR-88 during a famous Sierra Nevada snowstorm can seem treacherous. It’s hard to envision this was the same route wagons in the late 1800’s traversed during the California Gold Rush. As weary prospectors passed the horse-shoe canyon in their quest for gold, little did they know in 1971 ‘white gold‘ would be found under the chairlifts at Kirkwood Ski Resort.
Bud Klein – A Man Of Vision & Drive
Being the most remote and arguably one of the most rugged resorts in the Lake Tahoe region, it makes sense that the start of this resort followed the same rocky path. Captivated by the mountains surrounding him, Bud Klein saw a beauty and opportunity he had to pursue. With a dream and the strong work ethic of a bean broker from Stockton, he conquered every obstacle put in front of him. First up, he needed approval for his vision to start a ski resort – which he received in 1968.
Today’s Kirkwood Ski Resort
The next pressing issue – Bud needed SR-88 plowed during the winter so snow enthusiasts could get to this legendary venue. Not surprisingly, he accomplished that in 1971 with cooperation from the state of California. The last hurdle was rounding up help to start installing chairlifts. First on the list were four double chairlifts named Snowkirk, Caples Crest, Iron Horse, and Sunrise. These originals can be seen on the 1975 trail map above. If you compare the two maps, you will see which remain virtually untouched from the very beginning.
Dick Reuter – A Mountain Man’s Man
Photo by: Jaime Pirozzi – Local Freshies®
It’s fitting that one of the chairs, The Reut, is named after the man that almost single-handedly built it. Dick Reuter was much like the men that discovered the Carson Pass. He was a rugged explorer, a mountain man’s man, a pillar that stood as tall as the Sierra Nevada (metaphorically). Dick Reuter was made for this mission.
All the men that built this mountain were tough, resilient, and most of all visionaries. Overlooking Kirkwood from the summit, you will understand why these men put their heart and soul into opening this resort. There are cliff bands, chutes, trees, gullies, bowls, and even a well groomed beginner’s area separated from the rest of the mountain. Like an MMA fighter, Kirkwood is fit, well trained, and every pound of it is chiseled to perfection. The trail map may state that it’s 2,300 acres, but it skis much larger. Technically speaking, every inch of the mountain can be attempted… if you put in a little extra effort.
Kirkwood Deep
When it snows at Kirkwood… it REALLY snows – Snowboarder: Preston Herrington – – Photo by: Jaime Pirozzi – Local Freshies®
Compared to its sibling Heavenly Mountain in South Lake Tahoe, there are no big casinos. No expansive views of Lake Tahoe. No wild all nighters. What it does have is snow and lots of it. Due to it having one of Tahoe’s highest base elevations (7800′), it typically gets some of the most snow in the region. Combine that with the natural playful terrain, and you have a powder hound’s paradise.
Kirkwood’s Layout
Kirkwood in all its glory – Photo by: Local Freshies
The way the resort’s topography flows it naturally divides the terrain based on skill level.
Experts – Head to the top since the slopes are going to be steeper the higher you go
Intermediates – Check out ‘The Backside’ or take any of the lifts that go halfway up the mountain
Beginners – Keep towards the bottom like Timber Creek Express Area
To help gauge your skill level and find your perfect terrain, beeline for The Reut (Chair #11). This chair accesses everything from gladed trees to groomers such as Wagon Trail and even one of Kirkwood’s trademark gullies. If you find this is too technical or steep, give Solitude (Chair #5) a try. It offers lots of groomed runs with a lesser pitch.
There is a decent amount of terrain for intermediates and beginners, but Kirkwood is built for experts. With 68% of its terrain in this category, Kirkwood is a formidable opponent. In fact, you can write an entire book about all the features and lines that exist. Iconic names such as The Fingers and Chamois. Everything off of Cornice Express (Chair #6) is serious business. This gives access to some of the steeper groomed runs like Zachary. The magnitude of the slope requires winches on the snowcat for grooming. Otherwise, they would slide down the mountain! For more ungroomed technical lines, head over to Olympic which has bumps, cliffs, and chutes. If you still need a bit more adrenaline, it’s time to head over to The Wall (Chair #10).
The Wall – Intimidation at its best
Skier: Darin Haworth – Photo by: Local Freshies®
The intimidation factor begins at the entrance of the lift with a skull and cross bones stating ‘Expert’ terrain. As the slow, fixed-grip triple chair lumbers its way towards the top of the mountain, it feels like the ascent of a roller coaster. You begin to think twice about taking this lift. As you leave the forested corridor, the chair opens up into the bowl where a fierce wind begins to howl. Now you ask yourself “Did I make the right decision?” Finally arriving at the summit, the wind greets you with a torrential gust trying to shove you back down the mountain. Stand strong!
What It’s Like For The First Timer
As quickly as you try to unload and prepare for your descent, the ferocious wind aggressively yells at you to hurry up. Your nerves are now frayed, but it’s time to trust your judgment and drop into The Infamous Wall. Turn after turn, you gain confidence and begin to notice how amazing the snow is. Halfway down The Wall, you begin to feel a sense of accomplishment and a grin begins to form. At the bottom of the bowl, you will smile and look up at The Wall and think “I – yes I – have conquered The Wall.”
Intermediates
The “backside” of Kirkwood & the Sunrise Chair – Photo by: Local Freshies
For intermediates, ‘The Backside’ is the place to go, once Ski Patrol opens it up of course. The easiest way to get there is to take Snowkirk (Chair #1) followed by Caples Crest (Chair #2). From the top of this chair, drop down any of the trails. Just enjoy the ride as any of these runs will lead you to ‘The Backside.’ One thing to note…be sure to keep up your speed! You’ll need it to fly past the base of Iron Horse (Chair #3), taking you over to Sunrise (Chair #4).
A Winter Haven
Once you reach this part of the mountain, you’ll notice this valley is a little different than the front side of Kirkwood. Tucked away from all the parking lots and lodging. A winter haven surrounded by wilderness. As Sunrise (Chair #4) whisks you up the mountain, initially the lift will be enclosed by a canopy of tall pine trees. In a flash, the forest recedes and suddenly you are exposed to a wide open bowl. Your mouth will drop at the options in front of you. As far as the eye can see are bowls, gullies, widely spaced clumps of pine trees, and tons of white snow. You’ll begin to salivate at your newly found opportunities.
Elevator Shaft And The Wave
From the top of Sunrise (Chair #4), you will see nothing but purity and nature. Take a quick look to rider’s right and you will find the famous ‘Wave’. If you’re lucky, you’ll see people jumping off of it, hooting and hollering all the way to the bottom. The trails straight down the center of the bowl like Happiness Is or Elevator Shaft hold a good intermediate pitch that lets you open up and make giant turns down the entire mountain. After you’ve lapped ‘The Backside’ a few times, most likely you will want to enjoy this “Rare Earth”, as Kirkwood has been tagged, as long as possible. Luckily, a lone structure sits at the bottom of Sunrise (Chair #4) called the Sunrise Grill. It’s a great place to lounge in an Adirondack chair, have a snack, and enjoy the sunshine and remoteness of its location.
Beginners
The intermediates may have ‘The Backside’, but the beginners at Kirkwood have two sections all to themselves. My suggestion would be to stay in the Timber Creek area which has nice wide open groomed runs to learn how to ride. Squirrel Ridge off of Timber Creek Express (Chair #7) is a run that every kid or beginner would want to play on. It’s a ‘gentle’ gully that snakes, winds, and rolls its way through widely spaced giant Ponderosa Pines all the way to the bottom. It will make anyone giggle with joy, regardless of age. The other beginner area is based around Snowkirk (Chair #1) near the main lodge. Both beginner areas have separate bases. To easily get from Timber Creek to the Main base area, either take Jane’s Jaunt, a cat track, or a free shuttle ride.
Insider tips
First thing to know is Locals call the lifts by number, not by name. So, if someone says “Head over to #6”, they mean Cornice Express. If you are lucky enough to be at Kirkwood on a powder day, ski patrol will “roll” the openings of the lifts, so keep your ears perked to find out what part of the mountain they will open up next. Normally, they start with Cornice Express (Chair #6) and then incrementally open up everything that is on the frontside. Finally, if you are really lucky, they will open up Sunrise (Chair #4) and ‘The Backside’ bowl will be untracked! Like everything at Kirkwood, patience and knowledge is the name of the game.
BEWARE:
Ask the frontside lift operators first if Sunrise (Chair #4) is open before you start your trek to ‘The Backside.’ Days after a storm, Ski Patrol could still be digging out this chairlift. You don’t want misinformation leading you that direction to only have to travel all the way back.
When The Day Is Done – 7800′
There are plenty of dining establishments in the village such as Monte Wolfe’s and the Wall Bar to wet your whistle. But for diehard Kirkwood skiers and snowboarders, everyone heads to the 7800′ Bar And Grill. It’s the ONLY independently owned restaurant at Kirkwood. A true ski bar. What Chamois is to Palisades Tahoe, 7800′ is to Kirkwood. You’ll find affordable adult libations. Tasty dishes and even live entertainment.
A Little History Lesson
Go back in time … 1864 to be exact. As you leave, take a right at the exit and head down the road about a quarter mile. There you will find the Kirkwood Inn. When Bud Klein was looking for a place to build a ski resort, this is where he stayed. In fact, that year, 1864, there was so much snow they had to dig DOWN to find the Kirkwood Inn.
A Time Capsule
This place is like a time capsule with stories of great ski days and even rowdier times when folks passed through California for the Gold Rush. One of these stories relates to the fact that the Kirkwood Inn sits in three counties. During the prohibition era, when a county inspector came to the Inn, they would literally ‘roll’ the bar from one side of the building to the other so that it wouldn’t be in that particular county. Vail Resorts has closed this iconic watering hole since the Pandemic hit. There were rumors of remodeling but no news as of late as to when they’ll re-open for winter, even though they have briefly opened in prior summer seasons.
Peace, Quiet, and No Signal
A little bit farther down the road lies Desolation Hotel Hope Valley (formerly Sorenson’s). This is a great place to stay if you truly want to leave the modern world behind and connect with people again. The lodging consists of small one-of-a-kind cabins that don’t have any televisions or cell phone service. They do have all the essentials with small kitchens, cozy beds, and even some fireplaces. The main lodge has a great restaurant that serves food family style and their mixed fruit cobbler is one of the best cobblers you’ll ever have!
Kirkwood is truly a unique place. We hope you visit and experience it for yourself and don’t forget the hidden gems around Kirkwood Ski resort as well. For more around Lake Tahoe, be sure to check out our Tahoe homepage.
This was my first introduction to Kirkwood. Once I visited myself, I found out reality was even better than my imagination could ever make it. Driving up CA SR-88 during a famous Sierra Nevada snowstorm can seem treacherous. It’s hard to envision this was the same route wagons in the late 1800’s traversed during the 
